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Choir preaching re: "Intelligent Design"

Yoinked from smoakes777, this article is a powerful, simple and (IMHO) unassailable debunking of "Intelligent Design" as science.

What stays with me is the revelation that the ID "scientists" aren't even attempting to demonstrate that their theory is viable by submitting any kind of research to journals. It's as if they know they're lying when they call it science. They have no expectation that the scientific community will ever consider their point seriously. They simply mean to bypass the messy question of whether or not they've got legitimate science to offer, and go straight for the hearts and minds of the public. I guess I knew this on some level, but I have this pesky tendency to want to, you know, give people the benefit of the doubt that they at least believe themselves when they lie, fer cryin' out loud.

In case you don't want to read the whole article, just check out this devastatingly tight argument:

If complex organisms demand an explanation, so does a complex designer. And it’s no solution to raise the theologian’s plea that God (or the Intelligent Designer) is simply immune to the normal demands of scientific explanation. To do so would be to shoot yourself in the foot. You cannot have it both ways. Either ID belongs in the science classroom, in which case it must submit to the discipline required of a scientific hypothesis. Or it does not, in which case, get it out of the science classroom and send it back to where it belongs.

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peregrin8
Sep. 23rd, 2005 03:39 pm (UTC)
"And indeed, a moment's thought shows that any God capable of creating a bacterial flagellum (to say nothing of a universe) would have to be a far more complex, and therefore statistically improbable, entity than the bacterial flagellum (or universe) itself - even more in need of an explanation than the object he is alleged to have created."

Awesome article. Thanks for posting it!
fenriss
Sep. 23rd, 2005 03:43 pm (UTC)
You're welcome.

And, OMG, I suck... I got your fantastic mix CD early this week, and although I keep meaning to thank you, I also keep forgetting to do so. Thank you a thousand times! It's wonderful. And I wasn't even familiar with several of the acts, so, bonus. New music!
peregrin8
Sep. 23rd, 2005 03:44 pm (UTC)
oh excellent! I'm glad you dig it. :-)
taschoene
Sep. 23rd, 2005 04:32 pm (UTC)
I love me some JBS Haldane:

"Fossil rabbits in the pre-Cambrian."

Bwahaha!!!

fenriss
Sep. 23rd, 2005 04:59 pm (UTC)
Heh. Love that.

You know what I think of as characteristic of scientists? When something goes wrong with their theories in some spectacular way, they go "Cool! Now I get to figure out how that happened!" Where asshats like the ID people seem to position their arguments so that they are as sheltered as possible from any outside observations that they are flawed. I bet the scientific community would be excited to the point of mania if somebody brought them a genuine pre-Cambrian rabbit.
louiseroho
Sep. 23rd, 2005 05:04 pm (UTC)
There MAY be an intellegence behind it all.

However, as soon as you say that the world is because God Said So,
you stop scientific inquiry in its tracks which I think is really what Religious Fundamentalists are trying to do.
fenriss
Sep. 23rd, 2005 06:09 pm (UTC)
Well, sure. I have no emotional investment in the proving or disproving of the existence of a divine intelligence. I find that I can conduct my spiritual life in a very fulfilling manner without any such knowledge either way. What I have a mighty big investment in is that science remains science, and faith remains faith, and that, as a society, we will not tolerate calling a thing what it is not.

Or, in other words, I agree. Sigh. I wish I had some more irrational friends :)
louiseroho
Sep. 23rd, 2005 06:36 pm (UTC)
You should have seen the look on my face
when I thought Will believed that
the Genesis story was True
and that Man was created last.

Come to think of it, may be not.
Complete Terror is not a pretty sight.
_blackjack_
Sep. 23rd, 2005 05:14 pm (UTC)
I heard a "Creation Moment" on a Christian radio station while flipping around, wherin they went into some detail regarding the complex, ass-backwards, inefficient mechanisms involved in the sense of smell, concluding that anything so complicated must be the result of intellegent design.

Um, no. If something like that had a designer, he sure wasn't intellegent. Either the living world is the result of millions of years of unordered happenstance favoring whatever outlandish trait happened to get the genes passed on, or it was designed by Rube Goldburg.
fenriss
Sep. 23rd, 2005 06:10 pm (UTC)
I heart Rube Goldburg!
rimrender
Sep. 26th, 2005 01:57 am (UTC)
If there was a designer, I want to see some blueprints as proof.
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