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i r a snake!

I think I've pimped my buddy chadu here before, but not in quite some time. He's a fabulous game designer, whose RPG system, Dead Inside, E and I were honored to play test. You should stop by good 'ol Something Positive to see the cool ad Randy drew for Chad's game Monkey, Ninja, Pirate, Robot.

I confess that I neglected to wear green today. But you know what? I'm a Pagan. And, in case you didn't know, those "snakes" Patty was driving out were euphemistic snakes (note cheezy icon, thrown together in Paint). Mind you, I'm delighted for a day in which to listen to the Pogues and celebrate the richness of Irish culture. And while I might prefer to do it on Brigid's Day, I don't suppose I'm going to be convincing the crew to move our annual pub crawl to Imbolc. So I'll go have a pint at Iota tonight, in the spirit of inter-faith fellowship.


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Mar. 17th, 2005 04:20 pm (UTC)
You mean "snakes" meant Pagans? Well dang! And here I thought it was just a sweet little myth based on the lack of snakes on the island. Now I'm all disillusioned and cynical. (Yep, just now.)
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:30 pm (UTC)
(Yep, just now.)

Congrats on holding out for so long!
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:27 pm (UTC)
yeah snakes!
I like the icon and look forward to seeing you guys tonite.
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:31 pm (UTC)
Re: yeah snakes!
Innit he cute? He's a baby albino cobra, gakked from the baaaaaby animals community.
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:34 pm (UTC)
Re: yeah snakes!
As well as cute, I'm certain he's all very fierce too (fute! He's fute!).
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:52 pm (UTC)
Re: yeah snakes!
Yes. Probably too fierce to kiss upon his wee head, more's the pity.
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:41 pm (UTC)
Funny you should mention that, as I was just writing my own LJ entry about the origins of St. Patrick's day and how it's so much more appropriate for good little Irish Pagans to get their groove on in February.

Coincidence, or evidence of the Occult???
Mar. 17th, 2005 04:52 pm (UTC)
Re: Spooky...
There's a lotta that goin' around today. I'm going with "occult".
Mar. 17th, 2005 08:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Spooky...
Either that or, let's give credit where credit is due, some of us are more in touch with our heritage than others.

It's a really good thing I'm working in a little room in a bunker all by myself--I've kind of adopted my own little SPD tradition of decking the first idiot who points at me and slurrs "Huh, Huh, Erin go bra-less, huh, huh, huh."
Mar. 17th, 2005 05:16 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the props, R, but you've got the whole St. Pat's story wrong.

From my comment in

The "driving the snakes out of Ireland" bullshit was a euphemism for wiping out pagans.

Dude, you've got it all wrong. "Driving the snakes out of Ireland" is purely literal. St. Pat had one of those amphibious landing craft -- you know, the kind they used in WWII? -- and loaded up all the snakes into it and drove them someplace (Wales, I think) to protect them from the nasty pollution the Roman town of Dublius was churning out.

Pity about how he died, thrashing about in Wales, stoked to the gills on snake venom. That's the reasons, though, that all Welsh town names are all consonants and no vowels. Because "Lllythddywllch" is the natives' attempt to replicate the death spasm verbalizations of envenomed St. Patrick.

Jeez, read a history book or something. It's all there in black and white.


(Also, from what I can tell, blimpcaptain has a nice summary of St. Patrick in that thread:


Then there's the Catholic Encyclopedia:

What it looks like to me is that Patrick was pretty much a syncretic-type guy, trying to fuse the native beliefs with Christianity -- read his "Breastplate" -- and replace "Christ" and "God" with a pagan deity, and it scans pretty much the same as pagan prayers. (Besides, it also has the phrase "Christ in the poop" which -- out of context -- is hilarious, in a blasphemous sort of way.)

However, despite his attempts to connect Christianity to native belief, he was a monotheist (if nothing else), so there's going to be a bit of anti-polytheist thought there. Still, I think that a lot of the mean anti-pagan stuff is post hoc Church spin; under this interpretation, you're probably not going to find a more pagan-friendly historical saint than Patrick.

Mar. 17th, 2005 05:37 pm (UTC)
More stuff!


It seems that many scholars think that the "snakes" aren't pagans, but heretics (as Pelagians, aka "serpents"). Interesting.

Then I saw this article (note: annoying sliding ad box on one side):

Some highlights:

And the fact that we know anything about him at all is as great a miracle as any that later traditions ascribe to him. For Patrick is literally the only individual we know from fifth-century Ireland or England. Not only do no other written records from Britain or Ireland exist from that century, but there are simply no written records at all from Ireland prior to Patrick's.


Patrick's enslavement as an adolescent had to have been a critical factor in the development of his unique attitude toward the Irish. Even in captivity, he must have come to know them as human, hence, deserving of the gospel. This set the stage for his call to convert them.


Had he never been kidnapped, it seems quite likely that it would have been decades, probably centuries, before Ireland was converted. It certainly would not have been in a position to "save civilization," as Cahill so dramatically puts it in his book, when the Roman Empire crumbled and literacy was lost—lost, that is, by all but the Irish monasteries planted by Patrick and his successors.


Not surprisingly, his own experience in captivity left Patrick with a virulent hatred of the institution of slavery, and he would later become the first human being in the history of the world to speak out unequivocally against it.


Women find a great advocate in Patrick. Unlike his contemporary, St. Augustine, to whom actual women seemed more like personifications of the temptations of the flesh than persons, Patrick's Confession speaks of women as individuals.


Elsewhere, he lauds the strength and courage of Irish women: "But it is the women kept in slavery who suffer the most—and who keep their spirits up despite the menacing and terrorizing they must endure. The Lord gives grace to his many handmaids; and though they are forbidden to do so, they follow him with backbone." He is actually the first male Christian since Jesus, Cahill says, to speak well of women.


It is also significant, O'Donoughue says, that "the voices in the dream do not ask for preaching or baptism but only that Patrick as one specially endowed should come back and share their lives, come and walk once more with them." In other words, at least according to his recollections decades later, Patrick wasn't commanded to bring civilization or salvation to the heathens. He was invited to live among them as Christ's witness.


As a result, Cahill says, "The early Irish Christianity planted in Ireland by Patrick is much more joyful and celebratory [than its Roman predecessor] in the way it approaches the natural world. It is really not a theology of sin but of the goodness of creation, and it really is intensely incarnational."



Mar. 17th, 2005 06:11 pm (UTC)
Huh. How 'bout that. Will read further when time permits. Gracias.
Mar. 17th, 2005 06:15 pm (UTC)
Sorry again about the spammery!

Mar. 17th, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)
Always thought SPD was a crap holiday anyway...::grumble grumble grumble::

**Everybody** knows it's all a lie made up by those little, grey guys from Roswell whose existence the goverment insists on continuing to try to cover up...
Mar. 17th, 2005 07:40 pm (UTC)
Sheesh! And all this time I thought "snakes" was because the Catholic Church didn't want to say "penises".

Well, I guess we can all stop compensating.
Mar. 17th, 2005 08:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Pagans?
Naaah, that's just **too** easy...
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