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compassion will be the death of me

Well, hell. I may have to go vegan.

Hey, obscurerichard and tostita? Little help? Point me to the best books/sites/publications? I know it may seem like I should know this after 20 plus years of vegetarianism, but it's kind of alien territory, actually.

It's gonna be hard to break up with cheese.

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_blackjack_
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
My breakup with cheese was facilitated by the lactose intolerance. Nothing like blinding bowel pain to motivate a change of diet.

I'm considering getting off the meat-wagon myself after the latest cow thing.
fenriss
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
gods, I only heard it on NPR (I absolutely will not watch the video) and it made me actually ill. So horrible. I've never been so glad to have given up meat as a kid.

I still refuse to be judgmental about the food choices of others. But it's harder and harder for me to live with myself supporting the dairy industry. I might make exceptions for milk farmed under conditions I can be sure of. I have to sort a lot of stuff out.
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peregrin8
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
You should "friend" crafting_change. She makes the most incredible vegan cheeses. Her macaroni and cheese is unbelievable.

Also, the LJ vegan cooking community has the best recipe index...

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=vegancooking
peregrin8
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
Also, we should all get together at Sticky Fingers (vegan bakery/coffeeshop in Columbia Heights) sometime!
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obscurerichard
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
The Vegetarian Resource Group is probably the best starting point on the web for general information on Vegan nutrition and living. For recipes, VegWeb is often useful.

The cookbooks I've been happiest with lately are Vegan with a Vengeance (had their "Fronch Toast" this morning) and it's dessert follow-on Vegan Cupcakes Take Over The World, and the invaluable Nonna's Italian Kitchen.

It's easier and easier every year to go vegan, with the proliferation of alternative foods and information out there.

Good luck, and please call (703-979-4380) or write us if you have questions.
debboamerik
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
It's easier and easier every year to go vegan, with the proliferation of alternative foods and information out there.

That is the truth. (Unless you happen to be papertigers - she did try to fast with me a couple of times!)
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jgcr
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
We're slowly moving from "milk and eggs from industrial farming" to "milk and eggs from industrial organic farming" and, where we can, "milk and eggs from actual farms that treat their animals with dignity." We're blessed that in the Bay Area the latter is entirely achievable, if a bit spendy. I'll be content, ethically, if I can move us to that level (plus maybe a little *less* meat), where I have trouble is when eating out cheaply. I'm actually hoping for a CSA for milk and eggs at some point -- and I think I'm going to try to get more of my beef from my friend Mike's dad, who is a rancher who does the grass-fed thing. Basically local connections are the big thing for me.

fenriss
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:49 pm (UTC)
That sounds... sound. I just don't know if I would be able to go to that length to get more ethical food. For me, I think vegan would be the lazy solution.
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peregrin8
Feb. 18th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Oh - if you end up going almost-vegan, there is some danger that you will end up lactose intolerant. I had gotten into the habit of eating very nearly vegan at home, and then I went to Amsterdam and made the painful discovery that I had lost my lactose tolerance. (Nowadays I am OK with small amounts of dairy if I take a pill. But I do feel I ought to be getting closer to vegan myself...)
lilu22
Feb. 18th, 2008 10:53 pm (UTC)
I completely agree. Health-wise, I think I would be better off eating a little meat and no dairy, rather than the other way around. So, although I eat dairy, I am cautious about the amount and have pills to sooth my stomach when I go over board.
At the same time, I must admit that I don't pay too close attention to know for sure that it's the dairy, but I think it is. After 7 years of eating a mostly vegan diet, I just lost the ability to handle cheese (considering it is pretty well the last bit of dairy in my diet).
cjpetherick
Feb. 18th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a stepping stone to beer and bread.
peregrin8
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
To cutting out beer and bread, or to subsisting entirely on beer and bread?
rhoof
Feb. 18th, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC)
I know that many farmer's markets are starting to have dairy farmers selling their wares. I am sure that they are a close drive so you can inspect the farm if you like. The Falls Church market has several people selling butter and soft cheeses, and there is one that sells hard cheese (I do not know if they are the farmers, or just the cheese makers). You might want to check it out.

Love
eac
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:33 am (UTC)
adding to Reed's comment
If you've really made your decision to go vegan, Fenriss, ignore this, because I'll respect your wishes.

If dairy from a sustainable, humane operation would still be viable for you, however, there's a place called McLeod Creamery at Oak Grove Farm in Marshall, VA that seemed promising. They're listed as producers in the Arlington County Farmers Market (at Courthouse year round). I'd point you at their website, but it's down.
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lilu22
Feb. 18th, 2008 10:54 pm (UTC)
You have the Compassionate Cook, right? I think I gave it to you. My favorite cookbook. Quick (mostly), easy, simple vegan meals. Can't beat that.
vitruvian23
Feb. 19th, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... my father-in-law doesn't run his dairy farm *completely* organic (I think he uses commercial fertilizer on some of his feed crops), but I know he doesn't use hormones and lets his cows range over a pretty wide range of fields most of the time. They were sure healthy enough to chase my little dog Jack back when he decided he'd try to herd them, last time I was up there. They're out by Warrenton, and even though it's a bit far, they're both planning to open up a little dairy/ice cream store out there, and probably able to do delivery.

Heck, if you wanted to see how well the cows are treated, you could just attend Jodi's baby shower middle of April - it's going to be out there at the in-laws' house.
fenriss
Feb. 25th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks! That's good to know. I'm always glad to hear about dairy farms where the animals *are* treated well.

All congratulations on the impending sprout!
panthergirl
Feb. 22nd, 2008 06:59 pm (UTC)
Granted this is slightly off topic, but hope you are feeling better, what with good music, et. al.

There are definitely choice dairies, and factory farming *sucks* on all levels, so it's just a matter of finding them if you care to keep cheese in your life beyond the musical...

Also, there is a wonderful farming movement, that I just assumed you knew? In my happy Pollyanna brain, I always imagined that you & E. and Allie & Chris would eventually turn the estate into a mini-organic "Community Supported Agricultural" farm where we could all buy shares. (Provided you all wanted to of course) It would be so nice to trust the folks raising the food....

Here is some information:
http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/marketnews/organic.shtml
and there are links to the CSA movement here:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/csa/csa.shtml

I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my seeds.....My theory on seed buying involves getting things which cost too much for me at the grocery store... :-)

fenriss
Feb. 25th, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
Sigh. Yes, that sounds pretty much precisely like my dream; the micro-eco farm idea. Maybe fate will be kind, and it will happen. Or better yet, maybe I'll find the wherewithal to make it happen!

Yes, I'm very happy and excited about the growing CSA movement! I've had shares once or twice, and someday, if I can figure out how to pull it off, I hope to offer shares myself! It's just that I don't think I'm zoned for agriculture, so it'll probably be quite a few years.
obscurerichard
Feb. 23rd, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC)
Huh, looks like rednikki is giving the vegan thing a try too. See my comment to her reply for some tasty morsels:

http://rednikki.livejournal.com/1208713.html?thread=8217481#t8217481
fenriss
Feb. 25th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, it was partly from talking with Nikki about it that I decided I needed to give it some more serious thought. Appreciate all the useful info!
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