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It had to happen eventually

You know how I know I'm officially a grown up? I can think of no context in which I would be willing to wear my "smoke crack and worship satan" t-shirt out of the house anymore. I don't think I have in at least 8 years. I'm just worried I'll seriously offend someone. I used to not care if they didn't get the joke, but now it seems unkind somehow. I seem to have lost the desire to freak the mundanes. I want to make them tea instead. Maybe a nice pan of brownies.

I think this is a good thing, but it does make me a little wistful sometimes.


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Nov. 12th, 2006 07:48 pm (UTC)
I can think of no context in which I would be willing to wear my "smoke crack and worship satan" t-shirt out of the house anymore.

That's tragic. What's more tragic is that I'm right there with you.

Nov. 12th, 2006 07:51 pm (UTC)
*hug back*

You know, I'm not entirely sure you ever really did have much desire to freak the mundanes. And please understand that I mean that as a compliment. You've always been just a little more civilized than me :)
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Nov. 12th, 2006 07:56 pm (UTC)
See, I've reached the point that I don't know what's offensive. People have gotten offended by my Johnny-Cash-Giving-the-Finger shirt (and once even at a Dead Kennedys shirt), but the last time I wore my Smoke-Crack-and-Worship-Satan shirt, the genteel southern black lady behind the counter at Sally's just laughed and said "In that order?"

It's not about freaking the mundanes for me. It's about being true to my own aesthetic. If people get offended by that, well, there isn't much I can do about it.

(I will say that I haven't worn any blasphemous shirts while TEACHING, for the same reason I didn't wear them to work.)
Nov. 12th, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
Which isn't to imply that you AREN'T being true to YOUR aesthetic by not wearing it. Caring about the feelings of others is part of your aesthetic, moreso than it is of mine.
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Nov. 12th, 2006 08:27 pm (UTC)
Ah, I hear you on that one. I feel the same way about my "No. Dude. Seriously. Fuck You." shirt....
Nov. 12th, 2006 08:34 pm (UTC)
You know, that one I might be wiling to wear in *some* contexts. Like to a club or a show, where I'm unlikely to run into anyone who wouldn't get it. But "smoke crack and worship satan" makes me worry that their might be, like, recovering crack addicts or well-meaning Christians around for whom it would actually be hurtful.

I guess "fuck you" seems fairly innocuous to me. I wouldn't wear it if I thought there might be kids around, but I think any adults that got all bunched up about it could benefit from lightening up, you know?

Also, *hug*! Happy happy Beez Day!
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Nov. 12th, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I guess I just don't have the level of anger to vent that I once had. I do see it as a sign of mental health. Although there are days I sort of miss being as carelessly PR as we were back in the day.
Nov. 12th, 2006 09:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, I don't know...I think such a statement, "smoke crack and worship satan" is really a non issue in this day and age (yeah, like it was THAT long ago). It was edgy and in your face maybe twelve years ago, but then you'ld see that brand of humor every week on "Southpark", now...hell, you can see that brand of humor on "The Daily Show". I mean, cripes, the stuff they come up with on "Drawn Together" sometimes gives me the shivers. I think the masses are desensitized to most of the stuff that used to be "shocking".
(my friend, Bill, once had an idea for a t-shirt that said, "I *heart* Jesus" on the front, and then said, "In a prison kinda way" on the back. Now THAT's super-creepy-offensive, and something I would'nt wear for a mountain of money...)
...and I totally agree. I thought it said pink as well.
Nov. 12th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
Well, yeah. I agree that a lot of people are desensitized to a large extent. But there are always sme folks who never watch Comedy Central, and who do indeed find that sort of thing upsetting. Mind you, I don't want to hang out with those people, but neither do I want to make them unhappy on purpose.

Say, did you ever get to see the Venture Brothers icons I made? You'd commented that you liked the Molotov one in Beth's LJ. They are here, for the taking: http://fenriss.livejournal.com/142154.html
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Nov. 12th, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC)
I've never been able to wear t-shirts with the word "fuck," or anything else obscene, on them. I considered that quite the flaw when I was younger.
A few years ago, a couple of my non-freak friends proudly presented me with a shirt they'd found, that said FREAK across the top, and had a very graphic drawing of a woman mastubating. It's hard to imagine a shirt I'd be less willing to wear in public. But when they bought, they were thrilled because it was so perfect for me.

On the other hand, I wear my TEAM SATAN 666 shirt fairly often, because everyone I encounter seems delighted and amused by it.

But yeah, what you said. Freaking out 'mundande' people is just less of a goal. And maybe more than just that: Since doing the foreign exchange program and living only with mundanes for a few years, I get sorta annoyed when people our age talk about how more alive or whatever we are than them. We're just different in some ways, but the same in a lot more ways. We were supposed to think that when we were 20>, but now we should know better.
Not saying I would want to live freak-free again, mind you. They are a LITTLE different.
Nov. 12th, 2006 10:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree that freakhood is ultimately only a small part of being human. I'm proud of my neophilia, and my innate preference for the innovative and the edgy. But I do not think that it makes me a superior person or anything.
Nov. 12th, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
Are these special Brownes?
Nov. 13th, 2006 04:07 am (UTC)
Re: Question
You know it, baby!
Nov. 12th, 2006 11:24 pm (UTC)
I am right there with you sister. Especially about the tea part.
Nov. 13th, 2006 04:08 am (UTC)
Tea and sympathy. Makes the world a better place.
Nov. 12th, 2006 11:49 pm (UTC)
Aww. Must be why I have a half-drawer full of t-shirts I don't wear anymore too; or maybe I'm embarrassed of how old the bands are. ;)
I am afraid of unwanted attention in public, especially on the bus. I don't want to get jumped the moment I step off because of something stupid like a screenprinted shirt. Not that any other reason is good, I'm just minimizing my presence on the dangerous people's radar.
Nov. 13th, 2006 04:10 am (UTC)
I understand not wanting to be hassled. Come to think of it, I only ever wore my edgier shirts when I was going to be with at least a few other weirdoes to get my back, you know? Safety in numbers, especially for us marginal types.
Nov. 13th, 2006 04:40 am (UTC)

I'd wear mine but I can't find it (missing for 11 years or so).
Nov. 13th, 2006 04:47 am (UTC)
Oh. Heh. You know, the remote possibility exists that the one I have *is* yours. I *think* I bought it from Tony, but the memory clouds with the mists of time.

At any rate, you are more than welcome to it, since I really don't think I'll wear it again.
Nov. 13th, 2006 05:28 am (UTC)
I still have and wear mine. At this point though it doesn't get worn 'just around town'; mostly because its getting holes in it and wearing out. The other down side to wearing some of the more 'offensive' type shirts in the current law enforcement/public hysteria environment is risky. In an age when anything can get you a charge of making terroristic threats or detained without reason if someone doesn't like the way you look, its just no worth it. Since I live in Kansas now I take what ever stab I think I can get away with. But since I stand out anyway I put more thought into it now. So yeah age must have something to do with it.

I doubt you'd want to wear this then even though the recent Virginia election results need this as a reply--
Nov. 13th, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
Hah! Oh, that's beautiful! Yeah, I probably wouldn't wear it, but only because I'm afraid some folks would be too dumb to get the sarcasm, and might take the reverse meaning from it.
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Nov. 13th, 2006 05:18 pm (UTC)
I still call my friends "crackheads" on a regular basis, in spite of the fact my older sister actually is one. I don't try to offend or shock people, but I don't go out of my way to avoid it, either. it'd be a wasted effort for the most part anyway. :-P
Nov. 13th, 2006 05:52 pm (UTC)
That certainly may be true.

For my part, I guess I *am* willing to go out of my way a little. I figure, once I've made an effort on their behalf, if they *still* find my practices and beliefs offensive, then fuck them with impunity

Guess I'm gettin' old :)
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Nov. 16th, 2006 11:16 pm (UTC)
I can totally relate - it is for that reason I passed on the "Fuck You, You Fuckin' Fuck" shirt. *sigh*
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